New Church, New AV Gear, Part 2
Mar 24, 2011 11:48 AM, with Bennett Liles
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The Family Church of the Southern Tier in Jamestown, New York built a new sanctuary and they called Turner Specialty Contractors to completely outfit it with sound, lighting, and projection. Randy Turner is back to wrap up his talk about the church and how the project came out. That’s coming up next on the SVC podcast.
Randy, thanks for being back with me for Part 2 on the SVC podcast from Turner Specialty Contractors. We were talking about the big AV installation project you did at the Family Church of the Southern Tier in Jamestown, New York. You put in a Shure ULX wireless mic system there. Did you have any unexpected situations come up on the mics during that job? Well frankly it came together pretty easily. I had bigger issues frankly with my video…we put a Christie video projector up on the ceiling and it’s, I forget, 37ft. up so it’s not exactly easy to access and I had a million ground loop problems even though we had put isolation transformers on the whole system. That was really the big issue. The wireless mics, they went very, very smoothly. [Timestamp: 1:29]
Well they’re probably a little easier to get to than the projectors. That’s front projection isn’t it?
Yes, yes, yes; yeah so you’re running baluns to change your signal over a Cat-5 because there again I have about 220ft. where the cable runs so you can’t use the VGA cable very well and so we did the baluns on both ends and I just had issue after issue for several weeks until finally we just lifted the grounds and 99 percent of the ground pulled away. But those are the hard things because you’re always at the end of a job, when you do a new construction like this, you’re always the last guy in the building and so they’re always rushing to get you out of the building because they want to obviously open up for Sunday morning and they opened on Easter last year and so there was really a big rush to get us out and I was promised to have an empty building there for several days and because of everyone’s schedule it really didn’t happen and the next thing you know you lose a lift and the lift is gone on Easter and you can’t access that video projector 37ft. above your head. How do you fix it? That was a bigger issue. The next thing you know we had to wait a week until everybody got calmed down and had to bring a lift back in and they weren’t thrilled about that with a brand-new facility having a big monster lift. They didn’t want marks on the carpet and all that but we finally…we finally got it working right. [Timestamp: 2:43]
Yeah that’s a lousy situation when you’re dragging cable around, drilling through walls, heaving gear all over the place to get the job done right and you turn everything on and find something like hum bars going through the video display. That’s a real morale killer.
Yes it is and for a minute I thought it was going to be a paycheck killer too bad as I had a…they’re always holding off on final pay until proof that everything is 100 percent and boy you get a little bit nervous frankly because everyone says this should work and you call the tech people at all the different companies and nobody could figure it out. And then finally I put the brain back on and said, “Well how did we do it the old days?” and in the old days I would go lift grounds and so I lifted grounds and boom, it finally went away. [Timestamp: 3:24]
Well experience is the best buddy to have along with all kinds of little pocket widgets for lifting ground and isolators for keeping sound and lighting gear from going to war with each other. Now the stage monitoring in this church that was Aviom, am I right?
That was Aviom and we actually did all the Aviom in-ear mixers. So you have those personal mixers everyone’s had I think there were seven of them up there and that works great but their concern is they bring in a lot of traveling Christian artists and how are they going to work with it?—they don’t know it, what not and they felt much more comfortable by having two stage monitors on the stage as well at all times and so they don’t use those except for the special events but the day to day, the regular band—every Sunday morning band, they all live on the Aviom system. [Timestamp: 4:1]
Is that fed out of a DA or an aux off of the FOH board?
Well the Aviom actually couples off of…the way we wired is it is it came off a lot of the aux’s but they also wanted a couple of direct outs because they wanted just to be able to take a pure signal in especially I think it was off the pastor's mic, they wanted to be able to run that through an aux for whatever reason. These guys are pretty techno savvy at this church and so if that’s what they want to do that’s fine and so we wired it that way and it works just fine. [Timestamp: 4:37]
In most of the church situations I’ve seen even if the musicians and performers are a little hesitant at the beginning they end up just loving the Aviom system where they can just bring up their own instrument full blast and just feel around it with whatever they want.
Well it’s an education process too isn’t it? The first…well the first two hours we had it up and running on the very first night of rehearsal before the big Easter opening there again it’s the education process, you got guys mixing a brand-new board—had a huge brand-new Crest board there and so they’re a little intimidated by that and they’re a little intimidated by being in this brand-new gorgeous room and the speakers are different and everything’s different. And so it took…it really took about two to three hours before the musicians started getting comfortable with the in-ear monitors. Now it’s been almost a year, they wouldn’t do anything but the in-ear monitor. But you just got to get them through the education. [Timestamp: 5:23]
Yeah it’s a big adjustment for some performers who are accustomed to using floor monitors. They seem to feel a little isolated with the IEM at first but if they have a little ambience sound mixed in you can gradually wean them off that.
Yeah that’s a good way of putting it. Yes. [Timestamp: 5:38]
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